I don't think reddit should ban this. The same argument of "grow some balls and talk to them directly" could be said for this place too - banning would only make it harder to reach out.
I'm not sure if I follow. When someone discusses the problems with the DID/OSDD community here, we're not pasting screenshots of them and drawing attention to any particular user. Even "censored" screenshots don't guarantee tons of privacy, and it really doesn't help when the "censored" user is your target of ridicule. I will admit I'm making fun of them with the "grow a pair" phrase, I think insulting people like this instead of actually making an effort to have a real conversation is cowardly.
I do agree that it's not great that not all discussions here make it to the DID/OSDD community, but I don't think the problem is discussion about the community's problems, it's the harassment. The problem appears to be they have problems they want to report and they're doing it in an insulting manner. I think there are better ways to do this, even if that includes writing an article about it in a civil manner. You don't have to harass people to start a conversation. As for our community, I think talking about the problems with the broader plural community here has pros and cons. I think discussion about the problems with tulpamancy are great, I think once we criticize the rest of the community we start to enter a gray area of how helpful and productive it becomes. Ideally we can continue the conversation and extend it to the rest of the community, but I know that doesn't always happen.
As far as I can see, they are at least apparently trying not to target particular people and people who are mentally ill. While I think the dominating approach in that community is dumb and closed-minded, especially their approach on tulpamancy, I don't think they deserve to be banned for what the petition is accusing them of. Although they are probably more cringe themselves than what they are trying to ridicule, won't miss them either way. (edited)
Y'all are kinder than to them than I would be. This is a targeted hate group for a marginalized minority. It's no different in my mind from an LGBT Cringe space or a Black Cringe space for people in those communities who, yes, often do have objectively silly behaviour, particularly from young, struggling individuals who are trying, and failing, to come to terms with their identities. It's still not okay to do this.(edited)
8:16 PM
This isn't a discussion space, either, they actively shut down discussion.
I've myself been quite critical of some of the interpretations of plurality, especially that come from the way traumagenic systems interact with thoughtforms. Sometimes even scathingly, probably. But there's a difference between talking about some of these things constructively and hopefully with a modicum of grace, and selectively mocking quotes from people you think are dumb, while dogpiling alternate viewpoints.(edited)
This tulpa thing is hard >.<
Not only do I have the handicap of not really having an (audible) inner voice, and my imagination not being very good (I swear it's aphantasia, but dreams are fine so idk)
I also struggle with coming up with things to say to an as of yet unresponsive tulpa. I can't even parrot if I wanted to when I have no idea what to say.
Hard enough to initiate conversations with other normal people, but to keep a conversation going one-sided is a skill I don't yet have.
If I can just get past the barrier of hearing this other conscious being, then I feel like we can make major progress and quickly.
Just disheartening when I've been trying on and off for a decade and still don't have this down.
2:13 AM
Been trying the last two days to just keep talking to the two eventual tulpas
Got 10 hours a day at work to just think to myself, so trying to take advantage of it.
Been focusing on a point in front of me when I can where two orbs of light would ideally show up somehow idk
Just keep going over the personalities, names, appearances, etc; voicing in my head my intentions and what we'd do if we ever find success.
Heumann
This tulpa thing is hard >.<
Not only do I have the handicap of not really having an (audible) inner voice, and my imagination not being very good (I swear it's aphantasia, but dreams are fine so idk)
I also struggle with coming up with things to say to an as of yet unresponsive tulpa. I can't even parrot if I wanted to when I have no idea what to say.
Hard enough to initiate conversations with other normal people, but to keep a conversation going one-sided is a skill I don't yet have.
If I can just get past the barrier of hearing this other conscious being, then I feel like we can make major progress and quickly.
Just disheartening when I've been trying on and off for a decade and still don't have this down.
Work on figuring out what you want them to say, and parrot that. If you have trouble with that, choose your favorite most interesting character from any movie/TV/video game and use that personality as a basis and work from there.
3:47 AM
Tulpas are imagination, and you can imagine anything you want. The autonomous-ness comes from practice.
Indeed, to second that, you seem to be making the assumption that you're going to at some point hear a tulpa with your senses. That's not going to happen (consistently) until well after you make a tulpa, if at all, and likely takes years. That's hallucination.
All you're going to be doing is letting a character think in your head. That's what tulpamancy is, but with added autonomy and the sense they're actually "real".
Zen
Indeed, to second that, you seem to be making the assumption that you're going to at some point hear a tulpa with your senses. That's not going to happen (consistently) until well after you make a tulpa, if at all, and likely takes years. That's hallucination.
All you're going to be doing is letting a character think in your head. That's what tulpamancy is, but with added autonomy and the sense they're actually "real".
It's hard to tell exactly what they mean by that as they imply they do have an imagination. While true aphantasia does seem to exist, there seems to be decent evidence to suggest that a lot of people with weak imaginations are that way because of lack of practice with them, as there are continuous claims of improvement by those with that sort of middling-aphantasia.
10:07 AM
I would posit that someone with true, and full aphantasia, with no internal mindvoice at all will find it rather lackluster and pointless. They would be forced to speak only in raw thought, they would be unable to visualize at all, and so on.
10:07 AM
But there's little reason to necessarily believe that's what they mean. That seems to be exceedingly rare.
10:08 AM
Furthermore, there are aphantasia spaces by the way - We might not be equipped to help you develop your minds eye, but those spaces I believe do have subcommunities dedicated to it.
I saw someone getting answers from their tulpa in a form of push feeling on ear or head, like one is yes and two is no, can he make use of smt similar?
That is a form of sensory projection, and implies they actually can visualize.
10:14 AM
In theory someone with the ability to do that also doesn't have aphantasia in the truest sense of the word.
10:16 AM
Basically if they do have the ability to use an imagination I wouldn't suggest using crutches, I'd suggest pushing their abilities so they actually develop.
10:16 AM
Because at the end of the day you can get answers from something tickling your ear or you can actually talk to them. Which would you think would be the basis of a complex relationship?
For tulpa creation, not only talking helps, right? What else can i do?
I am getting nervous and mind blank when i try to find a topic to talk about.. Well she sees nothing bad in it(at least i expect her to think like that), but that doesn't bring us any further lol.
Tried showing wonderland to her but turns out i can't create more of it when also giving attention to her and already existing space is not that big(and nothing to sit on, ill fix but not rn).
Uhm and irl there's often no space to fit entire human in my sight and its awkward when i dont know where to imagine her - where do your tulpa is located when there's no space or when you move really fast like on bicycle?
If you have nothing to say, don't force a conversation. Do something else with them that you actually want to do, and narrate to them as you do it, or just experience it with them.
You don't have to talk to them while riding a bike, better watch the road.
1:51 PM
you shouldn't feel compelled to spend with them all of your spare time. You might quickly get burned out from that.
1:55 PM
Spend time with them while it's comfortable for you to do that. No need to force yourself when it's not.
Also, if you aren't comfortable with placing them in fictional space (aka wonderland) and interacting with them there, you can always impose them on a pillow and hug them.
if you tell someone you have tulpas they beleive you have DID. my ex tried to force me into going to a doctor and taking medicine when i told him about Error because he was convinced it was DID and would not listen to anything else
if you tell someone you have tulpas they beleive you have DID. my ex tried to force me into going to a doctor and taking medicine when i told him about Error because he was convinced it was DID and would not listen to anything else
I think beyond the taboo there aren't actually that many people would totally abandon a friend because of plurality. Only examples I can think of are like people who believe in demons, or people who just can't let go of the taboo.
7:51 PM
I've told many people and they don't care
7:51 PM
Never personally ran into someone who was put off by it
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